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Pedro the Ignorant

*****Sigh****
I really miss that rifle.
A work of art, and deadly in trained hands.

BTW, that SUIT sight on an SLR is not worth a pinch of shit, unless the rifle has been blueprinted to cut the tolerances in the receiver WAAAAY down.

Harry Tuttle

Whilst it is possible that there is a bullet trap version of the grenade spigot, the Aust issue one required a 'ballistite' cartridge (a whacking big blank) and the gas plug turned around, to propel the grenade.

Chief Bastard

Correct Harry. Being a lazy twat is my excuse. Yes, some had bullet traps, but ours utilised the inherent gas retarding properties of the gas system to whizz chunks of high explosive into the faces of thine enemies.
Coming up next, my assertion that the moon is made of cheese.

Skulkerman

I don't miss the SLR at all. Had to work very hard to get good effect. People love to slag the 5.56 weapons but when I can take people with no firearm experience off the street and have them popping figure 11s at 300m in a couple of weeks because of easier handling, then the Steyr wins me over. 7.62 fans also drive V8 cars.

CB

I'd have to agree. In the hands of a skilled rifleman, it was a formidable weapon, unfortunately, very few members of the ADF over the years were provided the means or opportunity to become truly proficient with the SLR. Consequently, most people disliked recoil. The smaller weapon and lack of recoil meant most people actually enjoyed their shooting. I posted the SLR details here to show how far we have come over 15 years in the field of military weaponry.

Sicarii5

If I were to shop for an L1A1 S.L.R. about how much would I need to spend? (forgive my ignorance, but are good quality weapons even avail. anymore)

mick

I would have to also agree. Whilst I could shoot the SLR accurately as going through AASAM etc it did require alot of skill to shoot successfully. I watched recruits get groupings of approx 90mm in a few short weeks with the Austeyr, which was difficult if not impossible on the L1A1. I did enjoy shooting the SLR though

eXit

i cut my teeth on the L1 at the tender age of 13 in the air training corps.

i followed through with choco's and then 6yrs real time.

all the postings that had a shooting team on base, i was qualified on SLR, and after reading the rule book, i was able to comp shoot with my fully restored .303 :) try doing a 20 round 400m-200m fire and move with a five round clip.. that's hardcore :)i still didnt fail to qualify with either weapon .

being raeme, i was lucky enough to be included in a small stage of the steyr trials. it is a nice weapon, ill give it that. esp as far as n00b trainability goes.
but as far as reliability and shear stopping power....L1A1 SLR anyday.


i might like V8's, but at least my gat can punch a hole in the damn block of one :p

Foz

7.62 Destroys targets, 5.56 just aggravates them

steve68

In my time as a reservist, I shot a lot better with the SLR than I ever did with the M-16 . . . . the lack of recoil and the rattling plastic actually put me off.

Years later, I played with an AK-47 at a shooting range in Cu Chi, outside of Saigon. Forget whatever you heard about the AK-47 and it's 7.92 mm calibre. It's got a smaller projectile and a slower muzzle velocity than the SLR, so it was more like shooting an M-16. No wonder it's the preferred weapon of untrained third world punks.

Lguy

I think that's got more to do with the fact that an AK47/AKM can cost you 50 bucks in Africa (1000 - 600 USD approx where i live) and it can take a lot of punishment. It's a lot of bang for the buck IMO and if you have a really low budget like myself that's the best thing you can get (If not the only, AR wise). Of course if it was just given away i'd pick the L1A1 (I've read and been told it was better than the L85 they use in the UK now, but i haven't even seen one of those live), it's a god damn classic, but that's usually not the case.

WitchDoctor

Owning a civilian version of the L1A1 aka Century Arms R1A1, a Yugo SKS, a Colt preban AR-15 ( my idea of real junk) and numerious AK variants including a polytech AK I'd say my favorate is by far my R1A1. It's a bit heavier than the others (except the SKS with a full 37 round magazine) but the recoil doesn't seem to be any greater inspite of the fact the round contains significantly more gunpowder. This rifle has the capabilty of stopping most anything in its tracks at distances above 500 yards, lets see a .223 try that. At that distance my AR is totally useless, my SKS has more foot pounds of energy than the AR but the accuracy is less than acceptable, my AK's lol they're not even a consideration for obvious reasons. In my opinion, the R1A1 is the only choice to make incase a combat situation arriases in the hills of Tennessee where I live. Shooting this jewel it fun and I think everyone should own 1.

daniel

as provem in vietnam 5.56 gets stoped by small bushes 7.62 cuts down trees.Ive seen this as a lead scout .a full mag from a styer did stuff all. still heaps of bushes around .now gunner comes up with the GPMG and good bye trees and good bye target. all chose an SLR hands down. realiable acurate and hard hiting power. in the jungle ,desert and artic 7.62 will allwas be the winner. nice coment eXit toataly right

P White

Ok what's wrong with the SUIT sight? Love my L1A1!

Dinger

Having used both weapons extensively. 1 thing the SLR never did was get hydrostatic lockup in heavy rain or water operations.

P White

I have no problem with the AR15 only with some of the makers. I ordered parts and built my own. I'm almost through with adding essentials such as weapon mounted light(Gladius with strobe ability) along with a more substantial stock. I do love my L1A1 though. If I had to choose between the two and knew that the environment I would be having conflicts in was not urban the L1A1 would be the hands down winner. One of the factors that might swing the decision the other way would be one where a total anarchy situation developed. Then I would be inclined to go with the AR15 because of the greater availability of ammunition, parts and other accessories.
If I wanted max accuracy I could not choose one over the other. I consider both very accurate. In fact I probably am more accurate with the L1A1 than the AR15 and that's with iron sights on the L1A1 and an EOTech sight on the AR15. Just my humble opinion.

P White

I have no problem with the AR15 only with some of the makers. I ordered parts and built my own. I'm almost through with adding essentials such as weapon mounted light(Gladius with strobe ability) along with a more substantial stock. I do love my L1A1 though. If I had to choose between the two and knew that the environment I would be having conflicts in was not urban the L1A1 would be the hands down winner. One of the factors that might swing the decision the other way would be one where a total anarchy situation developed. Then I would be inclined to go with the AR15 because of the greater availability of ammunition, parts and other accessories.
If I wanted max accuracy I could not choose one over the other. I consider both very accurate. In fact I probably am more accurate with the L1A1 than the AR15 and that's with iron sights on the L1A1 and an EOTech sight on the AR15. Just my humble opinion.

garry

i cant beleive the baf stopped using the slr and replaced with the sa80
it had its proplems but it was the best riffle i ever used

fourex

Having been issued with LIA1(knockdown) and Austeyr(good on forced march or long patrol) both have merrits, but shooting figure 11 and the real thing are different, hit a human being with an F4 142gn FMJ 7.62mm round anywhere(including appendages)at a contact distance of under 100yds(even out to 1000yds) and they will buckle with the impact and death is inevitable either outright or trauma/shock in the following minutes, the SS109 5.56mm round will kill also at this distance but it has to be in the centre of seen mass(vital organ or appendage-head), hit them outside of this area(arm,leg,outside vital organ) and you will continue to take rounds, big round = big hole = lots of blood out = lots of air in! it is hard enough to hit a stationary target accurately under duress let alone a moving one and believe me they will be moving!if you are lucky enough to get a round on target, you want it to count no matter where it hits.
Cheers

AJ

After walking around with both SLR and Steyr I can say I prefered the SLR. I wore my cross rifles with both weapons and have to say the cross rifle shoot for the F88 was a joke.

As for jubes picking up the skills easier with the F88 and hitting Figure 11's (Not that we can use them anymore) I have only one thing to say ... I will repeat the words of wisdom of the (then)Brig Blue Keldie when he said "Don't worry about failing your basic app shoot fellas, it's been my experience that you learn to shoot real straight when the bastards are shooting at you."

For those who don't know, Blue was an Lt. at Coral/Balmoral.

Love the SLR, disappointed by the F88, but enjoyed my M203 ;-)

Cheers Fellas,

Historian

The AR15 sucks for range, but when the enemy's in ur face its good to have one around. I must say I've never shot an acutal gun but I study them intensly, and the glass-plastic construction of the AR-15. yeah. I'd rather have an L1A1 or L1A2.:>

Steve Innes

Well, the Brits and Aussies are now screaming out for 7.62mm rifles to be fielded once again, especially in Afghansistan where contact ranges usually far exceed the 200-300m range (or even less) of the pathetic 5.56mm SA80 and M4 type rifles and M249 SAWS's currently carried.
The yanks have already recognised the futility of the M4/M249 pop guns and have started to re-issue the 7.62mm M14 and M60 and have just fallen in love with the Mag58 GPMG which just walks over anything they have had in the past.
So it should be no probelem to bring those old 7.62mm Brens and SLR's out of war reserve stocks and put them where they would do the most good: caving old Talibans/AQ head in at the best possible range so our boys stay safer.

Spencer Hendron

I'm of the Viet Nam generation. I remember M-14's/M-1 Garands being the issue rifles of the day. The M-16 and .223 came out as a result of the JFK/Robert McNamara whiz kids wet dreams. Nice varmint rifle but for real combat? How would they have played in the Big One, WW11? Against 8mm Mausers? Give me a break! They knew that women would be coming on board, so they went to a pussy round and rifle. Unfortunately, how many lives have been lost because of this since the early 60's? Time we all go back to a real rifle of some sort eh mates?

herb

Hi

I'm from the old BAF Days of the 7.62mm SLR and I have to say in action with the IRA and in the Flaklands War this was my best friend and so easy to look after. Tried the new SA80 before I was de-mobed and did not like it no power. I have some friend serving in Afagan and they say the same as above the distance and killing zone is to great for 5.56mm So I say bring it back. Any know where I can purchase one for home use?? email me on [email protected]
Thanks

Maxxum

Little note for historian.
Check and see how many SLR's are now in Oz war stocks and the answer will very much have you pulling your hair out.

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